--- title: House Small Business Development Committee, February 10, 2026 collection: meetings id: 2026-02-10/house-small-business-development cite_as: House Small Business Development Committee, February 10, 2026, video https://vimeo.com/1163424497 (machine transcript by Georgia Commons) canonical_url: https://georgiacommons.org/meetings/2026-02-10/house-small-business-development md_url: https://georgiacommons.org/meetings/2026-02-10/house-small-business-development.md text_url: https://georgiacommons.org/meetings/2026-02-10/house-small-business-development/text source_url: https://vimeo.com/1163424497 date: 2026-02-10 status: machine transcript corpus_version: meetings-2026-10-23-8c15ead0f18d license: Machine transcript and summaries by Georgia Commons from the General Assembly's public video; the video stays on the General Assembly's Vimeo channel; see about.md publisher: Georgia Commons, an independent project of Georgia Civic Data. Not the State of Georgia. 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Video, on the General Assembly's Vimeo channel: https://vimeo.com/1163424497. Agenda: https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/document/agendas/house/Small Business%2FSmall Business committee meeting 2.10.26.pdf. > This is a machine transcript of the General Assembly's video, made by a speech-recognition model. It is not an official record and can mishear words, names, and numbers. Speakers are not identified. The video is the record: every timestamp links to the moment it plays. ## Summary written by Georgia Commons Written by gpt-6.1-sol from the transcript below. It is not part of the record. Quote the transcript or the video, not the summary. The committee heard presentations on research-based startups and access to artificial intelligence (AI) tools for small businesses. A Georgia Research Alliance representative described support through researcher recruitment, equipment, grants and loans. A MapHabit co-founder described personalized picture-based guides intended to help people with disabilities or memory loss complete daily tasks, then answered questions about access, training and payment. An entrepreneur working with Georgia Tech’s Advanced Technology Development Center proposed community AI labs, repurposing surplus computers and seeking data-center contributions to support small businesses. Members asked about data-center benefits, practices in other states and equipment reuse. The chair called for follow-up on the AI lab proposal, and the Georgia Research Alliance representative expressed interest in participating. No bills were taken up and no votes were recorded. ## Transcript (141 turns) [0:19:52](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1192s) All right, what number is she? [0:19:55](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1195s) Sixteen. [0:19:55](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1195s) Sixteen, good. Okay. Well, good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Um, we appreciate y'all being here. We'll go ahead and start the meeting, the, of small business development. And Representative Schofield, would you be kind enough to open us up in prayer? [0:20:09](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1209s) Thank you, Chairman. Let us pray. Father, we just thank you today for opening our eyes. We thank you for the safety of traveling here to the Capitol. We thank you that the words of our mouths and the meditations of our heart acceptable unto you. We thank you, Father, that the presenters in this room will speak wisdom and knowledge and give us a fresh rain and word from you today, Lord. We just thank you for our time today. Let all things that, uh, give, have breath, give thanks and praise unto the Lord. In Jesus' name we pray, amen. [0:20:39](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1239s) Amen. Thank you. All right, let's get started. Our first presenter is Tim Denning. Come on, Brother Tim. Do you want the table or the podium? [0:20:52](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1252s) Um, if the table's all right, I'm happy- [0:20:53](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1253s) Yes, of course. [0:20:54](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1254s) Okay, thank you. [0:20:56](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1256s) Which one? Oh, there we go. [0:21:04](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1264s) All right. Good morning, Chairman Cheokas, members of the committee. Thank you so much for the opportunity to be here this morning and speak with you a bit about Georgia Research Alliance. As I understand, the charge of this committee is to enable Georgia's small businesses to flourish and create more jobs, and that's very much in the vein of the work of Georgia Research Alliance as well, um, as we aim to leverage university research, innovation, and entrepreneurship to spawn small businesses, create economic development, um, and workforce development. [0:21:36](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1296s) So, um, this morning what we'd like to do during our time together is give a brief overview of Georgia Research Alliance, how we work, and then I'd like for you to hear from Matt Golden, um, one of our, the companies, portfolio companies that GRA has invested in before called MapHabit and the work that they do, um, and the success that they've had. So, um, we've got some slides to share with you all, so I'll just go ahead and get started in walking through a bit about the alliance. Um, we talk a lot about that the work we do is to bring discovery to life. [0:22:07](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1327s) So there's discoveries that happen day in and day out at our universities throughout the state of Georgia, but really to have that, um, move forward to drive greater impact, um, leveraging that research and innovation to benefit our state, and in fact, beyond our state. How we do that is a very important model, and it's at the root of our name. We're in a, a true alliance. We're a partnership between state government, between the business community, and the universities throughout our state. And all of those working together now for over 35 years has been very powerful and instrumental than any one of these individual, um, units can do by themselves. [0:22:45](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1365s) So how do we work? Um, it's really a seed-to-tree model, if you will. We recruit, help in partnership with the universities, recruiting in top-notch talent. Researchers that are the best in their individual fields of research, um, help to recruit them into the state. Um, researchers that are aligned with sectors in our state, um, whether that's agriculture, whether that's technology, whether that's healthcare. We're independent of any specific discipline of research, as long as it's, um, supportive of sectors within our state. Once the talent's recruited, we enable them, um, with research infrastructure, cutting-edge instrumentation, um, and other infrastructure that helps to support the work, work that they do. [0:23:25](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1405s) And finally, and very importantly, we help their work to, um, become even more innovative by driving, um, a commercialization of their discoveries. So a little bit more granular level detail of the, um, recruitment. We now have, it's an endowment model, so not just a title, um, that we, that we have in working with the universities. We call them GRA Eminent Scholars. Full professors that are, again, the best in their fields that are recruited from top-notch universities throughout our country into the state of Georgia and into our universities, but also an endowment. [0:23:56](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1436s) An endowment that can be used, again, to lure them here, um, to get that talent. That endow- those endowments are a 50/50 partnership between the state and, and support from the state funds as well as university fundings to create a corpus endow- endowment that is evergreen and lives in perpetuity. Um, and the universities are custodians of those funds, such that they can be used to recruit in talent, and then if that talent retires one day, can be reused to recruit new talent. So it's a ve- it's an evergreen model, if you will, um, and a, and a true partnership in that 50/50 match. [0:24:28](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1468s) For that enhancing the labs, it's really that state-of-the-art equipment. Equipment is incredibly expensive in these laboratories, um, so having funds that help to support that and enable them to make those discoveries is key. And then what we call driving innovation takes two main forms of, of moving these technologies forward, both within the universities and then beyond the universities into small business growth and development. One form is grants. So grant funding, some of the earliest pre-seed stage funding to the university projects that get them to the key value inflection points, if you will, or key risk mitigation points to figure out if there is something there that can move forward. [0:25:05](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1505s) Um, also during that time, then gen- intellectual property can be generated, and that can then be spun out into a startup company or licensed to an existing Georgia-rooted company. If those companies exist in the state of Georgia, which we certainly want them to, then they're eligible for loans, um, low interest, favorable term loans to get them to grow, um, early and develop. All the while, we don't take any equity. This is purely economic development and workforce development support to enable and stand up these companies. As I mentioned before, we're independent of supporting any specific sector. [0:25:38](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1538s) We're very proud of that. We have amazing universities and amazing, um, discoveries and innovations taking place throughout the universities, again, from agriculture, health, technology. So anything and everything we like to support. We say from A to Z, from agriculture to zebrafish Um, just to give you a sampling of our scholars, as we call them, um, nearly 80 now. Um, and again, throughout these different sectors, you can just look. We don't need to go through all of these in detail. But even from, say, agriculture, from poultry sciences to crop sciences to cutting-edge ag technology, um, health, um, disease, studying all sorts of diseases, drug development, regenerative medicine, um, computer sciences, uh, big data imaging, advanced materials, a lot of work going on there in nanotechnology, membrane sciences, um, and energy, generation of cutting-edge memory storage and, and deployment. [0:26:32](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1592s) So here's how this really works. There's the idea from the brilliant scientists and researchers that take place in the universities. They have an idea. They have a thought. They have an invention. To figure out if that can actually move forward, if there's a line of sight towards something commercial, um, that's somewhere along that continuum when we start supporting and investing with, uh, that early pre-stage s- seed grants, then intellectual property can be, uh, generated, um, along that continuum. And then that ultimately leads to startup formation, and then that provides answers to questions and needs in society. [0:27:06](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1626s) Um, in terms of how this practically works, we support very earliest stage so-called proof of concept studies. So there's an idea that seems very reasonable. There's some early data that suggests this is viable. Now let's do the key experiment or set of experiments that need to be done to provide that proo- proof of concept. Then that's-- we go onto the commercial exploration phase. That's usually a phase two, if you will. So phase two is, okay, now it looks like the technology is viable. Proof of concept has been checked. [0:27:37](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1657s) Now is there something commercially viable? Is there market? Is there, um, uh, those types of things? And then once the commercial exploration is done and spinning out into a company, um, company scale-up, company formation and scaling, again, right here in Georgia. Our translational grants, they're milestone-driven. Um, they help to de-risk the technology as well as continue to motivate founders. And the commercialization loans, these, as I mentioned, are very favorable term. These are loans that you can't just get from going to the bank as an individual just starting things up, um, without providing collateral. [0:28:12](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1692s) Um, so both are provided at critical time points. Again, m- a tremendous amount of research is being done at this moment across our universities, but there's all sorts of key areas and, and experiments that are not funded by traditional funding, um, vehicles, whether that's the federal level or other private foundations. That's where it's really critical for some of these higher risk, higher reward studies to be supported. Um, now, at GRA, we provide not just the capital, that early seed stage capital, but also we have a strong team, a very small but very strong team that provides experience, um, deeply experienced in university research, venture investment, and startup operations. [0:28:54](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1734s) We also have a bench, a cadre, if you will, of senior advisors. These are folks who have gone through small businesses, had exits, and really lived the, the, um, that whole ecosystem, um, in, in the business world and can provide sage advice to our young entrepreneurs who are oftentimes doing this for the very first time, and they really appreciate that deep, um, sage advice. And then the outside network, all sorts of connections, both within, uh, primarily within the state of Georgia, where we can provide, um, uh, th- those, those key networks that allow for the companies to grow and scale. [0:29:31](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1771s) We have been, um, strongly impacted by s- state support for our thirty-five years in existence now, strong support from the General Assembly. We're deeply appreciative of that. And all of those dollars that have gone into GRA to support all of this work and this, this sector, um, we track the return on investment. And so the total direct impact, um, generated by GRA over our history is now over sixteen billion dollars. We're incredibly proud of that. Um, over ten billion dollars in total R&D expenditures when we track R&D expenditures of our GRA academy scientists. [0:30:03](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1803s) Um, nearly five billion dollars in total investments in revenue from the companies that have been stood up, that have been GRA-backed and supported early on. And the rate of return is approximately twenty-two to one, which is, uh, pretty much better than you can get on anything in the market. So very proud of the work that we've done in terms of being good stewards of state resources and partnering, again, with universities and the business community. So we're really driving to come full circle. We're all about impact, impact here in our state, helping the economy, helping that through the business, um, through collaboration, supporting strong workforce, building a su- pr- a, a strong reputation. [0:30:41](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1841s) Georgia is now number eight in the nation in university R&D expenditures, up from number twelve just a handful of years ago. We've risen quite a bit through the work that GRA does as well as others, so we're very proud of our reputation and continuing to elevate that. But really what it comes down to is those real people, providing solutions to the citizens of the state of Georgia through the work that we do. So with that, I'd like to hand it over to... I think that's the-- Let's see if we have one more slide. I'm not getting the next ones. I don't know if yours was a separate, um, separate vehicle. [0:31:12](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1872s) But I'd like to invite, if it's okay with the, the, the chairman, uh, ask Matt Golden from AppHabit to talk a little bit about his company, and then we're happy to answer any questions from the committee, um, when he's done. [0:31:24](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1884s) Thank you. [0:31:24](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1884s) Thank you. [0:31:29](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1889s) Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman, and members of the committee. It's an honor to be here. Uh, before I jump in, I might just, uh, go to the projector and, and try to advance that slide. [0:32:13](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1933s) They're not there. [0:32:14](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1934s) No. [0:32:14](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1934s) Okay, we can just talk. [0:32:15](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1935s) Yeah. All right. Uh, I'll just, uh, jump into it. Uh, my, my slides aren't, uh, uh, present, but I have, uh, an amazing story to tell you, uh, about how Georgia Research Alliance and, and really the overall Georgia ecosystem has, uh, really brought MapHabit to life. Uh, I started the company with a neuroscientist, uh, from Emory University about eight years ago. Uh, he, uh, really un- basically discovered how the brain changes, uh, over time with people who have, uh, neuro, uh, developmental dis- disorders such as Alzheimer's disease, traumatic brain injuries, even, uh, people with, uh, uh, Down syndrome and, and severe autism. [0:33:00](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=1980s) Um, so we started the company in, uh, 2018, uh, really, uh, out of an idea that sequencing pictures step-by-step can help people who really have trouble completing the everyday tasks of daily living and, and personalizing those pictures to their environment to help them live more independently, but also to improve the, um, the quality of life and, and really the stress and anxiety that caregivers carry. Um, it's so hard to, uh, to see your loved one struggle, um, whether it's a child, uh, who's just really trying to build those life skills, or, uh, your spouse or an older adult or, or even, uh, you know, an adult child caring for their aging parent. [0:33:44](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2024s) Um, and, and seeing them just struggle with doing basic things like brushing your teeth or doing the laundry or even operating the remote control. So, um, Stuart Zola, uh, he, he, he's our co-founder. Um, he had been doing what's called mind mapping for many years. It's basically taking a thought or a central, uh, topic and breaking it down into different steps. So the-- one of-- I'll give you a couple examples of, of how the technology works, and I'll, um, then I'll talk about, uh, you know, some of our research we've done. [0:34:14](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2054s) Um, but basically, if someone is struggling to brush their teeth, either they had a stroke, um, they're young and, and, you know, that muscle memory has not, uh, you know, started to take place, um, what you can do with our, our software is take a picture of their toothbrush, their toothpaste, a short video of either them or someone brushing their teeth, and then they can follow that on their own, um, either through our app or through a paper-based printout, and they develop this muscle memory of the brain. [0:34:45](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2085s) By repeating those pi-- uh, those, uh, those actions and, and those, um, and seeing the same pictures over and over, it ingrains this picture in their brain, and it actually kind of rewires it so that they're able to complete those, uh, those routines without additional in-person support. Um, it brings dignity and, and self-respect back to them, uh, and it gives them the confidence to, to, to do more things. That confidence is so important because then the caregiver does not have to do everything for them, and they can actually more support them. [0:35:20](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2120s) They can leave the house and feel confident that, you know, their loved one is, uh, is not gonna be, you know, at risk from a safety perspective. So, um, this very basic concept of sequencing pictures step-by-step, uh, had really never been done in, uh, in, in, uh, uh, kind of behavioral health or, or, or science and in daily living. And, um, we, we came up with this concept, um, very early on. Uh, we were so fortunate that, uh, GRA, uh, my, my, my co-founder had, uh, a lot of other prior, uh, engagements, um, where he had used, uh, GRA, uh, but we started this separate company. [0:35:55](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2155s) Um, and they gave us, uh, you know, initial, uh, phase one grant to, uh, to study this with the Atlanta, uh, Department of Veterans Affairs, uh, you know, off Claremont, uh, Avenue. Um, so we did that with older adults with dementia. The, the program was basically cobbled together with a whole bunch of, uh, you know, do it yourself type, type stuff. It was more conceptual, but we needed to prove feasibility. We needed to prove that there's something here. And, um, the, uh, the, the study we did, uh, was published in, uh, the, um, the American Geriatrics Society and the Journal, um, for, um, you know, uh, inter- uh, uh, innovation research. [0:36:34](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2194s) And, uh, it ended up, uh, becoming one of our landmark studies, uh, really helping individuals, um, you know, who are veterans here in Georgia, uh, really get a better quality of life. Um, the next program we had done, uh, was with, uh, um, Emory University, uh, working with, uh, uh, the Black community, uh, specifically around churches. Um, and, uh, we basically helped, uh, um, older, uh, caregivers support their loved ones. Um, and we had these focus groups that we, you know, helped them personalize some of their maps or, or gave them advice on what to do in, in certain circumstances. [0:37:10](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2230s) Uh, and we had a, a highly statistic- significant, uh, uh, improvement in, um, not only the independence and, and the quality of life for both the individual and the caregiver, but the individual's cognition, um, started to, uh, improve in some cases or at least stabilize. And in dementia, you, you, you may know that it's usually a progressive decline. So again, we started out with initial feasibility. Now, we had proved this out, um, also in, in this dementia population. [0:37:40](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2260s) And, and fortunately, um, you know, we've now gotten a phase two grant from Georgia Research Alliance to work with, uh, the Shepherd Center, people with spinal cord injuries, uh, traumatic brain injuries. Uh, so we've moved from kind of more the cognitive to the, the physical, uh, disability space, and we've proved out this technology has worked in a research, uh, context. Uh, we fortunately, because of, uh, you know, G- Georgia Research Alliance and, and your all support, uh, we were able to get, um, not only state funds but federal funds. [0:38:11](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2291s) Uh, over the about eight years that we've had the company, we've earned, uh, eleven million dollars of, uh, NIH funding. Um, that has been pivotal to take these initial feasibility studies, um, and, and proof points to now build out our team, which is, is 12 people strong right now here in Georgia. We have some outside the region, but the vast majority are here. Uh, and, and fortunately, uh, we've also been able to, uh, you know, work with a lot of great, uh, organizations here in Georgia and get reimbursement. [0:38:43](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2323s) Um, for example, the Georgia Department of Behavioral Health/Developmental Disabilities, uh, they have 14,000 people here in Georgia, uh, who, uh, you know, have severe autism, behavioral issues, uh, have Down syndrome, et cetera. Um, they now can get MAP Habit and, um, and, and wean off some of the in-person supports. Thank you so much. Um, wean off some of those, uh, you know, direct support workers who are often, unfortunately, underpaid. Uh, they, uh, have, uh, you know, a very high, uh, you know, staff, uh, attrition, about 70%. [0:39:18](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2358s) And, and, uh, you know, th- they're able to, the, the parents at least can keep their, their loved ones in the home, uh, have them able to, um, to, to basically do a lot of those daily routines. Get supported employment as well. Um, you know, MAP Habit, you can sequence together, you know, someone who's working in food service, how to, you know, clean, you know, various pieces of equipment or, um, you know, uh, uh, do customer service or kind of, uh, you know, some of the, the routines that they would have. Which is going to be a, a requirement on Medicaid going forward to, to retain your, your benefits. [0:39:51](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2391s) So a, a lot of that, um, is all because, uh, of, of the, the work that we incubated here with, uh, with GRA. Um, and as I mentioned, you know, we received some of those grants, but we are working, um, with a lot of, uh, really, uh, high caliber organizations. I mentioned DBHDD, Emory Autism Center, we're about to kick off a, a study with them. Um, what's in the middle there is Georgia Department of Aging Services. We're an evidence-based program, uh, that, um, we now have Title III-D funding that is available here in the state, um, thanks to Mary Lee Boatright. [0:40:27](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2427s) Uh, and also, you know, WellStar, we're working both with their internal medicine, with their, uh, neurology department and the, their, their children's health system. Um, there's several other partners here like Middle Georgia Regional Commission, the Northeast Georgia AAA, uh, which stands for Area Agencies on Aging. So our breadth and depth across multiple populations and multiple geographic areas in Georgia, including rural Georgia, which is a, a major focus, uh, and has been and, and continue will be, uh, we, uh, we're just very fortunate to be able to, um, to, to, one, call Georgia our home, um, to build jobs here, uh, but also, um, to be a, you know, a resource. [0:41:08](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2468s) I, I would love to be able to ... This is my first time here, um, at the Capitol and, and at this committee, but I'd love to share more of the success stories, some of the challenges as well. Um, you know, th- there's a lot of, uh, I, I'm just one of many innovatives, innovators here in Georgia who are building in the age tech and the disability tech space. Uh, and I think there's a big opportunity, especially with, uh, all the research, um, you know, progress we've made, um, and the overall general population health needs where, um, it just would be, an amazing to, uh, to kind of tell more of the story. [0:41:43](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2503s) Um, I'll, I'll kind of close out with, yes, there's a lot of innovation. Uh, some of it is available on an app or a tablet, but it can be very basic as well here. Um, you can kind of see that there's a map that's, uh, on a screen, um, in different parts of the house, you know, helping someone with toileting, operating that, uh, you know, microwave in this case. You know, knowing the steps to, um, you know, weekly put your pills together and, and have that, um, able to be done by someone other than their family member. [0:42:13](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2533s) They're very basic things, but sometimes those are the most impactful innovations, the ones that are, that are the simplest, easy to use, uh, can be s- uh, adaptable across different populations. And, uh, you know, we're just so fortunate to have that research foundation that, you know, has been, uh, we've been afforded that, um, that opportunity here to be able to now, you know, really commercialize this in Georgia. So I really appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, again, for the opportunity and the committee for the opportunity to speak with you today. We're happy to answer any questions you may have. [0:42:45](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2565s) And please also just know beyond today, we're a resource here for you all at any stage, at any time. Um, and we wanna continue to provide value to the state of Georgia. Thank you. Well, that's great. Great. It's interesting. Uh, we do have a question. Number 16. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. Um, I had just a question for you, Tim, about the data collection. Uh, have you broken it down by, um, sectors in terms of diversity? And I would like to know if there's some data on that. How many people have participated? What are the, uh, pe- groups in the population? [0:43:19](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2599s) Yeah. So to ... I'm now two years at the organization. I'm not sure we've broken it down by, by diversity. But amongst our scholars, we certainly keep track of all of our scholars that exist throughout the university in terms of our 80 scholars. Beyond the scholars is all of our startup companies that employ many Georgians, and many of them all, all throughout Georgia. So we don't have, I don't have that data off the top of my head, but certainly we can, we can pull that and share that with you all, because it's a very important question. Thank you. Thank you. One more, Mr. Chair. Please. And this is for, uh, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, for Matt. [0:43:51](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2631s) Um, I, I really love the whole concept and everything, and I can see how it can actually help people that are in chronic disease states when they go through, uh, neurological and, and, um, fogs and different things. So I'd love to talk to you more about, you know, how can we expand this. But thank you. This is really interesting. I appreciate that. Thank you. Good. Thank you. Well, I've got a couple of questions. A- and the question that I have is [0:44:22](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2662s) Is this distributed via a- an app? How, is it personalized with... H- how do you get the individual in the home to participate? I mean, give me that step-by-step process, if you would. [0:44:40](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2680s) Sure, and that's a great question. Um, well, we, uh, we're again, uh, reimbursed here in Georgia through two main channels, the Georgia Department of Behavioral Health, Developmental Disabilities, and the Department of Aging Services. There are case managers, uh, that work there, um, that have, uh, you know, thousands and tens of thousands of, of individuals, uh, who, you know, have these conditions. So there's, um, with, uh, you know, the area agency on aging here with the Atlanta Regional Commission, there's something called the Em- Empower Line where they get to be known of, of various resources. [0:45:14](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2714s) Uh, we also have, um, you know, partnerships with hospital systems like WellStar, uh, and, and Emory Healthcare, uh, that, uh, have large numbers of people that come in to, you know, the primary care practices. They learn about it through their physicians. We go to community health events, uh, health fairs. Um, there's a- an amazing, uh, organization called Altered Dementia that is focused around the, uh, you know, the Black community and, and the churches there. And we- we've been participating in their, um, uh, their, their conferences and, and a lot of their community events. [0:45:46](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2746s) So, uh, a lot of the times because it is reimbursed, it's at no cost to Georgians, so that's part of the way that people find out about us. But to answer the other part of your question is once they do find out about us and we can kind of work through the reimbursement, which takes, you know, anywhere from three to, to, to four weeks, uh, we, um, we, we have a, a one-on-one session. It's typically virtual, unless we're at one of those events, but we'll do a needs assessment. We'll, we'll understand kind of what, what are the things you're struggling with? What are some of the, the areas that the individual was previously able to do that they're not? [0:46:21](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2781s) Or if they're building those skills for the first time, what are the things that, you know, frustrate them the most or keep them up at night? And then we'll walk them through how to use the app. You can download it from the App Store just like any iOS or, or Android product. Um, and they can carry it with them. Um, they, if they need that compensatory tool to know what to do in a tough situation at, you know, their work or school, they can look up their map and, and have what's called a social story. It kind of walks them through what, um, you know, what kind of, uh, uh, you know, behaviors are appropriate. [0:46:52](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2812s) Or, uh, you know, with that supportive employment example, it can help them with, with their job or, you know, even at, at the home when maybe a new home care worker is coming over, they're making a favorite meal for someone. You know, they may want their, um, peppers, uh, cut up into cubes instead of sliced. But because they're non-verbal or they have dementia, they can't necessarily articulate that, and just one small thing that is not done according to their preferences can, can be a problem. So, um, we spend a lot of time upfront in, in training how the app can be used, and it's, it's pretty simple. [0:47:25](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2845s) It's, it's like an Instagram story where you have a, a picture, you know, one step at a time, and you sequence it, and it's, it's highly personalizable. The, the most impactful ones is if you see yourself or someone, you know, similar to you or, uh, someone who you admire, um, you know, doing those steps and, and, and it's related to their environment, whether it be a home or even if they're in a, you know, long-term care setting, uh, it's personalized for, for each individual. So, uh, we, we're trying to get the word out even more because we don't have 14,000 with DBHDD. [0:47:58](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2878s) We have, you know, about 100. Uh, so any opportunities to do that, especially in, in the rural health with Department of Community Health, I'd, I'd love to get in front of more people and share our story, but it, it really does work. There's a lot of great, um, you know, behavioral health and economic value for, for basically helping people, uh, you know, be more independent. [0:48:18](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2898s) And so, uh, it's after you personalize it, then you train the individual to use the app, and it's either in a telephone or an iPad or something like that. And that's how it's, that's how it's utilized. [0:48:34](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2914s) Yes, predominantly through, uh, uh, you know, a, a mobile device. Um- [0:48:38](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2918s) Mm-hmm [0:48:38](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2918s) ... other members of what we call the circle of support, that could be a therapist, uh, it could be a teacher in some, special education teacher, uh, for younger kids. Uh, it could be a home care aide or, um, a geriatric case manager or a family member. They can all, um, as long as they're given consent by the, you know, the, the primary support or the legal authorized representative, they can have a login and, and all play a part in, you know, supporting that individual. And in, in most cases, the individual themselves are either using the digital product or, uh, what you see on the screen up there. [0:49:12](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2952s) We'll strategically print out pictures and, and mail it to them or laminate them so that they can shower and do that all on their own or, or brush their teeth or, you know, some of those other examples. So it's multimodal. You meet people where they're at, whether they have high digital literacy with an app or, or low, where they prefer the paper model. There's, there's various ways people can benefit. [0:49:35](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2975s) That's fascinating. That is really fascinating. [0:49:39](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2979s) Thank you. [0:49:40](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2980s) Cool. Do I have any more questions? We m- we might need some pictures here at the Capitol, I think. [0:49:50](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2990s) In all sincerity, it, uh, yeah, you f- sometimes you forget some of the simple things. [0:49:56](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2996s) Yeah. [0:49:56](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2996s) So it's all good. [0:49:57](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2997s) It's for everyone, yeah. [0:49:59](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=2999s) Well, good. Now, and now that you've commercialized everything and you've got your team and you're expanding, are you expanding at all in the private sector? How does that work if you have an individual, like, in taking care of a older parent or a child that's not part of, uh, any of the government agencies? Do you, do you provide that service to the- And how is that done? [0:50:25](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3025s) Yeah. Well, our, our website, uh, anyone can go to maphabit.com. Uh, they can fill out the Contact Us. We'll get in touch with them. So we have a private pay model. We're predominantly business-to-business, so we partner with what are called community service boards and these- [0:50:39](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3039s) Mm-hmm [0:50:39](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3039s) ... you know, case management agencies. Um, but, uh, a lot of the times, you know, we're covered under UnitedHealthcare, Blue Cross Blue Shield, um, you know, some of the other, uh, you know, uh, CVS, Aetna health plans, uh, you know, here in Georgia and throughout the country. So, um, private insurance and, and even provider groups like therapists, occupational, physical therapists, and behavioral analysts that, you know, work on those, uh, routine buildings, uh, for neuro di- ju- uh, neuro, uh, divergent individuals. They also purchase MapHabit on behalf of their clients, and they can use it with their clients. [0:51:13](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3073s) So it's a pretty broad B2B-focused business. [0:51:17](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3077s) Mm-hmm. [0:51:17](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3077s) But we do have about, you know, 5%, and it- it's growing. [0:51:20](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3080s) Mm-hmm. [0:51:21](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3081s) Um, but we are- we're a small and mighty team, so we can't do too many different channels at the same time, um, which is why the B2B side has the reimbursement. And, you know, people don't wanna have to pay for things, so if they can get it, uh, you know, covered. But, um, there is a need on both sides. [0:51:37](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3097s) Gotcha. Mm-hmm. Well, great. Thank you. Thank you very much. [0:51:42](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3102s) Thank you. [0:51:43](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3103s) Appreciate the presentation. And, uh, I'm glad you brought, uh, y- him here today to, uh, explain some of the successes that y'all have had. I've always enjoyed presentations, and I, I don't mind telling you, when we have, like, the restaurant association or someone, I want one of the young en- you know, one of the entrepreneurs here to tell us their story, and you've got a great story to tell. [0:52:07](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3127s) Thank you. [0:52:07](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3127s) Thank you very much. [0:52:08](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3128s) Thank you. [0:52:09](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3129s) Well, appreciate it. [0:52:09](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3129s) Yeah. [0:52:10](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3130s) Cool. Who's up next? [0:52:14](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3134s) Oh, good. Found the Core Venture Studios. All right. James Harris, would you prefer the podium or the table? [0:52:24](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3144s) Table's good. [0:52:25](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3145s) No problem. [0:52:34](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3154s) All right. Floor is yours. [0:52:37](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3157s) Thank you. Uh, good morning, Representatives. Thank you for your, your time this morning. Representative Schofield, thank you for inviting me. Uh, I will start off by saying, uh, I am James Harris. I'm a serial entrepreneur. I was born here in Atlanta. My mom likes to say I was the first Black baby born at Emory Hospital. She was a nurse there, and, uh, I have the, I have the privilege of, of saying that. Um, I'm here to share a story with you and some progress of some work that we're doing down at Georgia Tech, and I'd like to start by just giving you a summary of the, the end, if you will. [0:53:11](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3191s) Um, I think Georgia is in a really unique position. Uh, we have an opportunity to do what Silicon Valley has done for the Bay Area, what Hollywood has done for LA. We have that same opportunity in the age of AI here in the state of Georgia. We have some of the most capable, uh, some of the most talented people in the space, and I think that if the state moves quickly, we can make a huge, huge difference. And so I'll give you, uh, a, a quick idea of what we'd like, what I'd like to share with you, and I'd like for the state of Georgia to think about. [0:53:45](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3225s) One, um, we have an opportunity to create community AI labs for small businesses that can give them a competitive advantage. Uh, we have an opportunity with the data centers that are coming to the state of Georgia to come up with some kind of concession or set-aside that allows us to fund these small business labs. And last but not least, we have a great deal of computer waste in the state of Georgia, old laptops and computers that are gonna end up on eBay or in a dumpster somewhere, to assemble that e-waste and make it available to small businesses to give them this competitive advantage. [0:54:18](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3258s) And so let me tell you a little story about, about my business that I created here in Georgia. Uh, in the mid-'90s, I saw a Mac computer, and they were starting to edit video, and I partnered with some friends and built what became the first CD-ROM that actually had video clips on it. People could use it to tell a little commercial. It was called Creative Digital. Uh, I went to a conference in San Francisco called Macworld, and someone recognized my work and said, "I want you to come down to Silicon Valley and look at this little company." And so I went down, and I went into the room, and there were 11 people working there. [0:54:49](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3289s) There were people in the lobby trying to talk to them. And they would get an email, and someone would say, "I wanna be listed on your website." And the bell would ring, and they would add a, take the email and add it to their list. That company became Yahoo, multi-billion dollar company. I came back to Atlanta and said, you know, with some friends, uh, you know, "As a Black person, I wanna find stuff on the internet, and they don't have a lot listed, things I would be interested in." And so we created the very first Black search engine. It was called EverythingBlack.com. [0:55:19](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3319s) Within a month, we had a quarter of a million unique visitors from around the world. We grew it to a million people a month. And, and back then, in the early days of the internet, there was no advertising. We didn't make any money, and we had to foot the bill for a $3,000 high-speed internet connection just to keep the thing going and stay up all night after we left work. Um, we find ourself today in sort of a similar situation as it relates to AI. We grew that company. I spun off another company. We became the largest internet consulting company in the Southeast. We built Coca-Cola Company's very first website. [0:55:50](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3350s) All the work for the UPS company, for the Olympics. Uh, we helped Pfizer launch their very first website. We grew to have offices in Atlanta, Vail, Colorado, San Francisco, and New York. And as we were going to buy our competitors in London, Gray Advertising out of New York actually bought our company. And so I learned that lesson. I lost a little hair back then going to learn to work for a New York ad agency. But came back to Atlanta and said, "You know, this, this will probably play out again, a- and again and again and again. I'm gonna be ready for the next one." Today, I find myself as a part-time employee of ATDC, the Advanced Technology Development Center at Georgia Tech. [0:56:26](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3386s) My job there, 1 to 20 hours a week, is to help companies like Matt. He's actually one of my, my companies. Um- grow from half a million to ten million dollars, and hopefully after ten million dollars there, they can graduate and go, you know, get their own apartment, as I would tell my daughters, you know? Um, and so as I was doing that work in 1994, a number of my companies came to me and said, "We're not gonna make it. Uh, what I've built is a SaaS-based product, a site where you log in and put a credit card in and do your thing, is being replaced by my competitor who has one page, a little box, you talk to it, and it gives you an answer. [0:56:59](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3419s) This AI thing is really sort of eating our business model." And so in late '94, we started encouraging them to start doing research and connecting them with some students and that kind of thing, but just wasn't enough. A young lady called me and had gone to New York. Uh, she'd gone to a Salesforce, big company's, uh, presentation, and they literally showed her business on the screen being replaced. And she called me, this was the beginning of January 2025, and said, "Mr. Harris, I, I have to save some money. I have to make this investment. I'm gonna change my business model to AI." She called me at the end of January. [0:57:32](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3452s) I'll never forget, I was eating dinner one night, livid on the phone and saying, "I sent my money off to some company overseas, and they gave me back a $50 chatbot. I'm, I'm done. I have no more money. I'm not gonna make it." And she said, "Why can't you-- Why couldn't you all help me do more faster?" And hung up the phone. And it was very jarring for me. I'd never had a company, you know, not do well in that fashion call me, call me on it. And so I went to John Avery, the director of ATDC, and said, "John, we gotta create an AI lab." Like, I don't-- He said, "James, we're in the middle of the, of the year, and where are we gonna find a budget? [0:58:06](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3486s) We just-- We may have to start something up." And so we did. Uh, we went to the different AI labs at Georgia Tech, millions of dollars of equipment and computing, and they would politely let us in but say, "You can't bring small businesses here, right? Unless it's academic research, student or professors, we, we can't have you touch this equipment. Imagine if every small business walked in here and wanted to use our six million dollar AI cluster." And I didn't know what to say. I mean, the, the blinking lights and all that had me excited, but there just was no access for a small business. [0:58:36](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3516s) And so we kicked around Georgia Tech and we were able to go to Georgia Tech Surplus. Now, I, I, I'm sure you've been to like a Bis- a Best Buy or a computer store. We walked in, it's like a mini Best Buy of equipment that was used and being ready to be recycled. And we were like, "Well, can we have this Mac and that piece and this piece and that piece?" And they said, "Yeah, as long as it's, it's within Georgia Tech, you can use it." And so in July of 2025, we built our own little AI lab. Since then, we've had over four hundred and fifty business owners come through and sit down with us and work through some AI problems with their business. [0:59:12](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3552s) We think this is a model for the state of Georgia, and we think we're early. And so back in the day, we needed high-speed internet. That was what determined if we could be a successful business or not. Today, what we need people call compute. We need computers that are big enough and fast enough to process the AI and give us a model we can then deploy. I'll also say some people have said, "Well, James, they can just use Google and pay Google three or four or five hundred dollars a month. They can use ChatGPT. They can use all these things." I remind people often that money is being exported from Georgia small businesses to California and other places. [0:59:50](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3590s) That money's not staying here. And, uh, most small businesses don't have three or four or five thousand dollars a month on a subscription just to figure something out. They really need a, a resource center where they can go and have some people test it out, help them figure out what the, the lean version of it is so they pay fifty dollars a month, not five thousand dollars a month. We're doing that at what we call Northstar Labs at ATDC. Now, we're doing it with used equipment, and we have some furniture. When startups leave, when Matt graduates, he'll probably give us his furniture. But it'd really be nice to have that resourced by the state of Georgia in some form or fashion. [1:00:24](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3624s) And so I think Georgia can lead in this space. We have monthly meetings of what, what are called Gen AI, generative AI. These are the creative people, the movie producers and the-- In our meetings we started in June with fifteen people. We'll now have seventy to eighty people on a regular basis once a month coming. These are people who buy for Netflix, Disney Plus. This is Trilla Studios, Hartman Studios. These are people who work for Meta who just happen to live in, in, in Georgia. All of this is available to us in the state of Georgia, and we're doing it really on a sort of ad hoc basis. [1:00:56](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3656s) I say that to say we're starting to get companies from Savannah, Georgia, calling us, Corstrata. They actually put a healthcare nurse on FaceTime for you. No matter where you are in the world, they can give you a wound care nurse within a few minutes' notice. Uh, we have companies from Albany. One gentl-gentleman is actually building an app where instead of you reading a manual, you go work at a factory and you have to read the manual on how to use equipment, they actually videotape the process of how to use equipment and make it available on your cell phone. So before you make that critical mistake, you can just look it up and make sure you're doing it correctly. [1:01:29](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3689s) I'm fifty-nine. I'm not part of the iPhone generation, but younger people like to-- You know, they have their phone with them. They go on there and, and read it. They don't wanna go find the manual and flip to page eight hundred and thirty-two. He is using technology that he then has to rent the AI from Google or ChatGPT, et cetera. And there is some concern. No one knows in this world exactly what happens when you put data into those systems. We, we hope it's secure and safe, but it would really be better for him to have a piece of equipment or rent a local piece of equipment that he knows is safe and secure. [1:02:00](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3720s) Corstrata with health- healthcare information, same situation. So I am suggesting, I am proposing, I am asking that the state of Georgia consider, uh, potentially working with these data centers that are coming in and saying, "Can we have a little bit-- Can we have one percent of that bandwidth, a half a percent of bandwidth for small businesses in the state of Georgia?" If they could have a concession where with the development they're doing, they set aside a little fund to create a small AI small business center in a Albany or Savannah or Columbus or a Macon. [1:02:31](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3751s) We also think with the state of Georgia, as equipment is no longer used, it-- I think at Georgia Tech, every three years you get a new laptop, or every four years you get a new-- That equipment can be repurposed to make-- be available to small businesses in the state of Georgia to give them a competitive advantage. At Northstar At ATDC, we do four things. We bring startups together with AI talent, and we thought that would just be students. We have students from Georgia Tech that are helping, students from Georgia State, SCAD, uh, Morehouse Spelman. [1:03:01](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3781s) But we're now seeing that investors are showing up because they realize this is where sort of the deal flow is coming from. And we're starting to get some s- very small sponsors that are beginning to write small checks to help us see this through. We would love to see the state of Georgia support that as well. Thank you. [1:03:15](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3795s) Thank you. Thank you. Now, we've got some questions. Cool. I do too. Yes, ma'am. [1:03:24](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3804s) Um, thank you, Chairman Cheokas. Um, thank you, Mr. Harris, for, um, the presentation. Um, as a small business owner as well, I see the pros and cons in the use of AI, but one thing you, um, mentioned that struck my attention, um, is data centers. Are they not currently supporting, um, small businesses as they should? [1:03:46](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3826s) Yeah. Uh, I think in the state of Georgia in particular, there's a lot of challenge from, uh, small cities where data centers are showing up. I think even in DeKalb County, there's a talk of a, a new data center, and the question is, what's the value and benefit directly to those individual citizens? Uh, I think data centers are set up so that when you go to Google and do a search, that search is spread out across all their data centers. So there is some benefit to the individual, but it's not necessarily directly attributed to that particular city, county, or state. [1:04:16](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3856s) And so I think data centers could do a better job of saying, "We're coming into your community, but one of the things we're gonna do is we're gonna take some of this technology and make it available to small businesses in your community." Right? So there's a direct correlation between the two. I think that would be a more, uh, meaningful relationship between the data center and the local, local citizen. [1:04:35](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3875s) Thank you. [1:04:42](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3882s) You have the floor. Cool. So we would, to summarize, you're saying that what we could do is, as we do these, um, uh, data centers, that we could ask them to participate by, uh, for using this. Are other states doing that at this time? [1:04:59](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3899s) Not, not to my knowledge. I think we've discovered-- I mean, it's, we've only been at it in, in large scale for the last six months. I think we're really ahead of the, the, the curve as, as it relates to that. [1:05:09](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3909s) Mm-hmm. [1:05:09](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3909s) Uh, we do know that the state of New York is focusing on AI for creatives. They are repurposing old movie studios. They're doing things like that to really build that as a, a core business category for them, but I don't know of anyone else. Hollywood, honestly, is really nervous about using AI. But there are other areas, like the financial services sector. A lot of these, uh, private equity funds, uh, financial managers, insurance companies, are using AI in a big way as well. And so there are lots of areas where AI can apply to that. [1:05:40](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3940s) One of the, the, the best examples is, uh, agriculture. Using robotics in agriculture is a big opportunity for the state of Georgia as well. The other one is healthcare, as Matt would suggest. A lot of opportunity in that space as well. [1:05:53](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3953s) Cool. Number sixteen. [1:05:57](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3957s) Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, thank you, James. I mean, of course, I'm very excited on two levels. I'd like to explore a little bit, um, about the healthcare opportunities. [1:06:06](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3966s) Sure. [1:06:07](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3967s) I think that is something that is an untapped, uh, space where we can really see what we can do there. And then I wanted to hear a little bit more about the repurposing of the equipment. [1:06:18](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3978s) Absolutely. [1:06:18](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3978s) What does that look like? What would be, uh, the steps that, how that-- how do we make that work? [1:06:23](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=3983s) Absolutely. So, um, you know, I, when I went to the Georgia Tech surplus, I was just... I, I'd never walked into a building full of computer equipment. I was like a kid in a candy store. Uh, normally what happens is those computers are what they call end of life. They literally take them apart, and they put them on eBay to sell them, or they go into a recycling bin to be reused. Uh, the way AI is structured right now, there are lots of different levels. There's the, the AI that is sort of industry specific, where you need a particular, let's call it a heavyweight computer. Those are really expensive and very hard to come by. [1:06:55](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=4015s) But there's also a flavor of AI where you can use older laptops or older PCs. Inside of most computers, there's a graphics card, a little card that sort of connects to your monitor. That graphics card is really sort of the brain of how AI works, and a lot of those graphic cards are being, uh, put on eBay or thrown into a recycling bin. So those pieces of equipment could be assembled at a, at a, at a facility or a resource center. If there were multiple small business AI centers around the state, they could be sort of parceled out, and those could be placed into computers and made available to people, the same way, uh, a library makes computers available in a community center. [1:07:31](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=4051s) Or if you want, you know, a basketball court or a small community center you're using for athletics, that's made available as well. So in my mind, there would be a collection, a list of what's available, and those would be made available to those centers. At Northstar, we'll, we'll take them. We've had three different donations from small businesses in the last two months, and we're recycling, repurposing, and making sure other resources have available-- have those pieces of equipment available. Georgia State, actually, they have a small AI lab, and they mentioned, "If you're not gonna use those two cards, we'll, we'll, we'll take them." And so literally having, uh, an internal website, uh, email that goes out and making those things available could be really, really useful. [1:08:09](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=4089s) And honestly, the selling them on eBay, the state's getting pennies on the dollar for whatever. It's, you don't make-- It's, it's more trouble to resell it than it is to put it to use. [1:08:20](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=4100s) Great. Well, that's fascinating. That is very, very fascinating. We need to follow up on that and see what we can do. Um, and I'm glad to see that the Research Alliance is, is participating in all this, and I'm assuming, and, uh, that you want, um... Would, would this AI fall under the Research Alliance creating these AI labs? I mean, I'm just wondering. [1:08:49](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=4129s) It certainly can in parts. We have scholars who are experts in AI, and they should certainly be brought into the conversation, so we would love to be engaged in this. [1:08:56](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=4136s) Cool. Cool. Well, wonderful. It's time to, for us to get on to the next meeting. I guess- [1:09:03](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=4143s) Thank you. Thank, thank you so much, and we'd-- I'd love for you to come down and visit the lab, and anything we can do for the state, please let us know. [1:09:08](https://vimeo.com/1163424497#t=4148s) We will. Thank you. Thank you both. I appreciate everyone here. Thank y'all.