House Public and Community Health Committee, March 19, 2026

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1. 0:18:34

   All right, we n- we now have a quorum, so I will call this meeting of the Health and Human Services Committee to order. And, uh, we have one bill, SB 440. And, um, the posture we're in, we've already passed out 440, the underlying bill. We had an amendment added. The wording of the amendment the other day was very ambivalent. In other words, it was in lawyer ease, and no one u- understood, getting it at the last minute, of what it was doing or what it covered.

2. 0:19:13

   And so working with the author of the amendment and, um, one of the pharmacists, uh, if you will now look on page six and seven, uh, nothing's been changed on six, you will see the new language, and I think that explains it. And, uh, we now have the author of the amendment here, so I will let her come forward. Representative Mathiak. Mathiak. Uh, uh, g- just right there.

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   And let sh- let you add anything you would like to say

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   just in general about the...

5. 0:19:55

   Thank you, Madam Chair, and I appreciate everybody being here. I know that everybody's, um, running with their hair on fire. This is the, um, iverm- ivermectin bill. It's a anti-parasitic drug. It was developed in 1980. FDA approved it in 1987, and what it does is it paralyzes or kills, um, parasite, parasitical organisms within the body. It's, it's an, has a excellent, um, safety profile, and it actually won the, um, Nobel Peace Prize in 2015.

6. 0:20:33

   FDA approved it for intestinal parasites and worms, and it does treat external parasites as well, um, head lice and rosacea is what they talk about. Um, what we did... Oh, and the contraindications are pregnancy, dress, bes- breastfeeding, Coumadin use, and any solid organ transplant that may take place. They don't recommend that you use it in that situation.

7. 0:21:04

   Um, what I tried to do with this bill was to have it over the counter without a prescription. And what I wanted was for human consumption. Right now, what people are doing in the state of Georgia is using equine, um, ivermectin out of places like, um, Tractor Supply or your feed store. Um, it's been told to me that farmers have been taking it for years when they're around cattle and horses, because they tend to have parasites.

8. 0:21:42

   Um, so that's, that's the, the bill. And the thing that I do like about it being behind the counter is then the pharmacist has the, the availability to speak with their customer about dosage and, um, w- uh, contraindications.

9. 0:22:05

   Yeah. Okay, thank you. Has all of the committee had a chance to read it? So, a top... And I think that as the representative said, it's more, much more it says in, in that, that the, uh, pharmacist will, you know, be sure and consult with the person and talk to them and see, you know, if they're taking some kind, one of the medications you mentioned or any contraindication to it. And so it clears up that, and it clears up that only people 18 or under will be able to get it over the counter like many of our other-

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    18 and over

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    ... some-

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    18 and older

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    ... 18 and older will be able to, yeah, get it.

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    Similar to medications like Sudafed.

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    Sudafed and all. So I, I think this is much clearer, and I appreciate you working with us-

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    Absolutely

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    ... and making it clearer.

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    Absolutely.

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    Um, uh, questions? I have, uh, Representative Howell.

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    Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you for explaining your amendment. I know we were talking a lot about it the last, um, meeting we had, and having a little bit of confusion about why it was inserted into this, um, different, different bill-

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    Yes, ma'am

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    ... than what we originally voted out twice. So just a couple questions, and I really like working with you. We're just gonna walk through this, because we're both trying to do our jobs.

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    Yes, ma'am.

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    So, um, okay, where to start? With respect to access to ivermectin for humans, you did note a couple important things about ivermectin, that it's been around for many decades, that it did win the Nobel Prize for, for Medicine for treatment of parasites, and specific for treatment of river blindness, which is a Third World-

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    Right

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    ... disease. Um, are humans able to get ivermectin from a physician at present?

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    Yes.

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    Mm-hmm. And, uh, what are the indications usually for, um, FDA-approved use of ivermectin when written via prescription by a physician?

29. 0:23:56

    I cannot answer that. What I can tell you is I've been told that even our military uses ivermectin prophylactically, especially when some of our people are in areas that may have to fight with paras- parasites.

30. 0:24:15

    Yeah. And I, I think you're absolutely right that a lot of people do need to take ivermectin for treatment of parasitic diseases, including externally-

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    Right

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    ... topical, or like in a-

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    Head lice

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    ... for head lice-

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    Right

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    ... or internally. Um, I think what we're talking about now, though, is for access to ivermectin written for humans- without a prescription.

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    Right.

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    Right? So, you know, when we write a prescription, how medical best practice guides us is it has to be for the correct clinical indication. For example, if I wrote you a prescription for Lipitor to treat foot fungus, that would not make sense, right? That would not be an on-label use of that medication 'cause there's no clinical application for it, right? So, you know, taking it off of needing a prescription, um, takes away some of the safeguards that we have for diagnosing a condition and making sure that the patient is both appropriate to receive that medication and that it's being written for the right reason.

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    As you noted, there are medications that are available without a prescription or over the counter or, you know, behind the counter. I think that the position of the counter relative to the medication is, is less important to me than the fact that it is available without a prescription. Can you talk about some of the reasons that certain medications are available over the counter or without a prescription?

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    S- any medications? Is that what you're asking me?

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    Yeah, just generally speaking, a principle of why does the FDA allow some medications to be available, for example, Benadryl-

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    Well, Sudafed-

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    ... Tylenol

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    ... is used for, uh, let's use it-

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    Mm-hmm

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    ... as an example for sinusitis. I really do not wanna get into the diagnosing portion of this, I, because I feel like the pharmacy, the pharmacist is the one that is gonna ask the customer, "Why would you, why would you need this? Why would you want to use this?" Um, when we have pe- even our missionaries, when they go out of the country, they are, they're using it prophylactically too, es- especially when some of our kids are leaving the country with Christian organizations, for example.

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    I think that the piece that the pharmacist will counsel is the major piece to this. Otherwise, uh, I, I went to Tractor Supply last week just, just because I'm carrying this bill. I'm standing there looking at a whole row of ivermectin. All of them had the same ingredients, but the price tag w- went from $7, six, $7 for just a, a small amount to 30-something dollars.

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    I had no idea what I was buying. Had I been in a pharmacy with a human being and a pharmacist, they would've been able to, to counsel me and say, "This is, this is what would be appropriate and this dose would be appropriate."

49. 0:27:20

    Right. And certainly there are medications that are in veterinary formulation, and that same active ingredient is available for human formulation, but it's, it's different. So generally speaking, I just want this to be on the record, human beings should not take veterinary formulations of medications regardless of what the active ingredient is. But just to the point of it being available without prescription, and I appreciate the indulgence of the committee for just walking through this, 'cause we really wanna make sure we're passing legislation that is safe for patients and not, um, sort of, uh, capriciously going with something that is not, uh, creating an environment that, that provides good patient care.

50. 0:27:57

    When the FDA decides what medications can be available without a prescription, for example, Tylenol, Advil, Benadryl-

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    Mm-hmm

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    ... what have you, we all know the types of medications, there's two main conditions that I think need to be met. One is that it's an easily diagnosable condition for me. Like, I know what a headache feels like. I know I can get Tylenol and treat it. That's the first condition. The second thing is that it has to have a side effect profile that is low, right? So we don't wanna have patients be able to pick up medications that could have cardiotoxicity, neurotoxicity as a relatively common, um, side effect without a prescription, without proper follow-up and counseling.

53. 0:28:38

    Those two things I note, cardiotoxicity and neurotoxicity, are possible side effects of especially high dose or unregulated dose ivermectin. So I think that is the reason that it is usually available to humans with a prescription, right? The easily diagnosable piece is also important, right? I can diagnose if I have a headache, if I have a stuffy nose, if I have allergies. These are easy to diagnose. A parasitic disease is, I would say, more difficult to diagnose. I can have a hunch about it, but you do need specific types of clinical tests to determine do you have, um, intestinal worms, for example, right?

54. 0:29:17

    Some of those, um, diagnostics are not available to a patient at home, and it is also not available to, uh, a pharmacist. For example, a pharmacist, as we discussed last time, will not be doing a fecal smear and looking at that under the microscope to look for ovum and parasites, right? So this is, this is the type of thing that I worry about in terms of, um, allowing this to be available without a prescription because of, A, a medication being used at a cost for the wrong clinical indication.

55. 0:29:47

    I think we can all recognize that. Yeah.

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    So you don't, you don't think that the pharmacist would be able to, um, differentiate that with a patient in front of them?

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    If you can find a pharmacist that does fecal smears and looks at them under a microscope to diagnose ovum and parasites, then no.

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    Well, they don't do that with Sudafed.

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    Well, Sudafed is a different type of medication, right? But it's-

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    It, it's still a symptom. We're still-

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    Right

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    ... we're still diagnosing with symptoms.

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    They are, but the symptoms that they're diagnosing for Sudafed, which is more of a, a decongestant, is relatively more easy to diagnose from a clinical observation than parasites, which requires microscopic ana- You know, so it's, it's just a different disease. I'm not saying, you know-

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    Well, and-

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    ... you're, you're right to think of it this way, but, um, it's different

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    ... again, I was trying desperately to stay away from that, from the diagnosing piece, because I know that

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    I know that people use it for other means.

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    Sure.

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    And that's what I, that, and, and, and quite frankly, I'd much rather them, our citizens be safe having a human-

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    Yeah

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    ... um, dosage than equine or-

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    Sure

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    ... whatever else-

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    Right

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    ... I was looking at. Swine. There was ... I mean, the, the, the counters were full.

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    I know. Yeah.

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    And I had no idea what I was looking at.

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    I agree. And, and I think we all luckily are coming from a, from a point where we all agree that we want human beings to be safe.

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    Right.

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    And we want humans to be able to access medications that they need to treat specific conditions.

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    Well, and isn't it true that you can overdose on Tylenol, too?

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    Certainly.

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    Okay.

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    That is-

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    Representative.

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    Okay, sorry.

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    Representative.

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    I'm sorry.

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    Okay. I have, I'm, the board has other, I have other questions.

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    Okay.

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    Um, I appreciate, Representative Au, your-

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    Yeah, that's fine. I appreciate you

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    ... questions. I, you come from a medical background.

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    Thank you.

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    I understand where you are. Representative. We're, unfortunately, and I have concerns as a registered nurse, but I, unfortunately, I think we're becoming a nation of people who want to be their own doctors. And s- sometimes no matter what we do, you know, we can't keep them, and I think this may be one step in at least trying to get this into an arena where at least somebody with medical training be, i.e.

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    the pharmacist, would be able to talk to them. May not be the best thing, but better than just going, buying it at the feed and seed, and maybe it's just a first step. I'm not sure. But like I say, unfortunately, we're becoming of a nation that people wanna read or hear what they hear or read it out on, uh, Google, and they wanna be their own doctors and tell the doctors.

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    I agree with you.

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    And sometimes you just, like, have to let adults find out whether they're right or wrong. Okay, uh, who have I got? Uh, Representative Cheokas. It's not the proper time if that's what you want. I ...

99. 0:32:57

    Well, actually, I just wanted to say this. I did wanna say that, uh, the options are leaving it alone or putting it in a pharmacy, and I would much rather have it in a pharmacy than in a feed and seed store. Those are the options that we have now, uh, and at the appropriate time.

100. 0:33:18

     Okay. Uh, Representative Cannon.

101. 0:33:21

     Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, so just a first question to get a better understanding. With ivermectin right now, people using it for other purposes, have we been contacted by a large group of individuals? Um, what are the numbers of, um, either sales at Tractor and Supply? Can you provide some data or statistics as to why we would be solving a problem with this bill?

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     I, I don't have numbers, Representative. I can't give you numbers. Um, I just know the calls that I get from my constituents and even outside my district, um, and I know what my patients use it for, so.

103. 0:34:12

     Thank you. So can you give a rough number of the constituents that have reached out to you? Is that, like, 10 or is that, like, 100?

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     H- over 100.

105. 0:34:19

     Okay.

106. 0:34:20

     Yes.

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     And you could share that with some committee members as well so we could as well see?

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     Yes.

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     Okay.

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     I believe, too, that, um, there were phone calls made to the speaker's office, probably Chairman Cooper, Chairman Hawkins. There were, there were, as far as I know, that there were calls made.

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     Okay.

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     When ... Go ahead.

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     And then what does the Georgia Board of Pharmacy say?

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     I don't know.

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     And what does the Georgia Medical Composite Board say?

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     Well, at this point, I have had, I mean, I will say this instance of, is something that the pharmacy board is going to have to deal with since the, the amendment says the State Board of Pharmacy shall adopt rules governing dispensing. No one from the pharmacy board has contacted me. Um, so I would say that usually if they have a problem with something, I get a call-

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     Right

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     ... from the medical board and, and the pharmacy board.

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     And-

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     Or any board

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     ... Madam Chair, too, um-

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     Pardon?

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     If they don't wanna stock it, they won't stock it. The pharmacist doesn't have to do it.

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     Well, that's true. There's no mandate in here that a pharmacy has to stock this or dispense it, and so I think I would've heard from them.

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     Okay.

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     And, and Chairman Stephens helped us with this-

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     Right, he is-

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     ... this, um, second amend-

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     Mm-hmm

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     ... this piece that is in the-

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     Right, Representative-

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     ... in the bill now

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     ... Ron Stephens did help with the amendment.

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     Right.

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     And he is a pharmacist.

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     Okay. My last question would just be, you know, we are a committee entrusted with the health of millions of Georgians, and it would be, I would say, minimally responsible to have statistics, to have numbers, to have a sign-off, a "Yes, go ahead," from the places where it is currently being sold and the individuals who will be entrusted with this.

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     And truthfully, we have not had a conversation yet about the use of this for COVID-19, and I'm concerned that there are individuals who have been misled to believe that this is at all a remedy, and that this will just further send those folks into harm's way. Thank you.

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     Don't do it. Okay. Uh, Representative Au. One-

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     Sir, does anyone... I don't wanna loop back unless everyone's got nothing-

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     I'll give you one more. Go ahead.

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     Um, with respect to what we're talking about in terms of pharmacists being a, you know, that they have the option to not stock it, I worry actually that this will restrict access then for patients who have, um, a correct clinical indication for getting ivermectin, which is parasitic infection. Because if it becomes that it is available without a prescription, and pharmacists, let's be real here, are exposing themselves to liability in being able to dispense it off-label without a prescription for a number of different indications that are not approved by the FDA, that they will be exposing themselves to liability, that they will worry about giving patients this medication off-label.

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     And if they choose to not stock it, then even patients who do have the clinical indication will not be able to receive it at their local pharmacy.

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     All right. Representative.

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     Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh, didn't we pass a bill this year that we can dispense, um, birth control pills behind the counter?

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     Yes.

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     That's a lot more concerning to me than this.

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     Yeah. We have statistics

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     Okay. Just saying. Just saying.

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     Other numbers that go with that bill.

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     So, um,

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     okay. All right. Uh, Representative Reese.

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     Thank, thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you, um, Chairwoman, for bringing this, this bill. I'm sorry?

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     No, no.

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     Okay. Uh, I, I just had a few questions for you. Do we know what the potential price point may be for this drug once it's over the counter? Is it indeed going to be cheaper than what's in the feed and seed, or will we still have that group of people going to the feed and seed? 'Cause pharmacy medicine can be rather expensive.

155. 0:38:57

     I would submit to you, because of what I saw from $7 to $32, I... And it looked like it was all the same percent, I would submit to you that it would be an inexpensive drug. And the other thing that I think I would submit to you is a lot of times we don't hear from sectors of our communities, because that's what they've always done, is use something out at Tractor Supply.

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     And-

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     We got it.

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     Right. Right. Okay.

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     And that's what I would submit to you.

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     So, and, and I, I do have a couple follow-ups. Um, y- you know, we were talking earlier about the options here. Do we have people get it from a pharmacy, or do we have them get it from the feed and seed? But there's also the option of getting it from a doctor. What is stopping these individuals from actually going to see a physician to make sure that they're properly diagnosed for what they're receiving? And I'm all about people getting access to medicine. Trust me. I want us to have a society where people are pain-free, curing whatever they can cure, but there's also that pendulum of safety that we have to be concerned about.

161. 0:40:15

     And so, what, what, what is it right now that is the hindrance of actually seeing a doctor and getting this prescription, which is currently allowed by law? What, what are you seeing as the big problem that's the motivation behind this bill?

162. 0:40:27

     I, I would say mostly an office visit, the time and the money of an office visit.

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     Mm-hmm. Okay. So I guess that's highlighting the challenges that we have with our current healthcare system in the state of Georgia.

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     Exactly.

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     Okay.

166. 0:40:42

     All right. Uh, Representative Barnes. Sorry about that your light didn't work.

167. 0:40:47

     Thank you, Chair Lady. Um, I think my question is do... Maybe it was already asked. Do we know how many people are going into the feed store to buy ivermectin for their parasitic in- infection?

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     Well, again, I'm gonna, I will submit to you that... Uh, do you live in the city or the, or the rural area?

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     I just base my decisions off policy-

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     Okay

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     ... like facts and data.

172. 0:41:13

     Well, I live in a rural area with farmers, and farmers have a tendency to use old-fashioned remedies. Good, bad, or indifferent, that's how, that's how they live life. So again, I would love for them to be able to get a human dosage consumption rather than equine or whatever else they may have at Tractor Supply.

173. 0:41:48

     Okay. Uh, that ends our questions. I think, uh, Representative Dunahoo wanted to make some comments. Sometimes less said is better, but if you have something to add.

174. 0:41:58

     Thank you very much, and I do appreciate it. Uh-

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     If you need to stand up and-

176. 0:42:03

     Not a problem. My wife, uh, had breast cancer-

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     Oh

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     ... in 2002. But with this, we started reaching out, realizing that we had so many things going on. If I go to my good friends who are doctors, they give you a pill for this. When they do, it usually goes to the kidney or the liver, and things aren't always just solved by a pill. And we noticed that when we came out with COVID, nobody really understood what was going on with COVID and how to treat it. So we had people trying different things, and nobody was telling us all the bodies that were going out the back.

179. 0:42:38

     I had nurses calling me and doctors on the vaccines. So there's things that go on all the time, not in a perfect world. But I have family, I have friends that are, like Chairman Mathiak said, Chair Lady Mathiak said, they treated- for years problems, and they've solved problems. And with it, my wife had an 80% chance of not making it, and she did. And we had 29 other ladies that had breast cancer that did, and we had more with COVID that did. So with that, to not argue the situation, facts are facts, and sometimes we have to look beyond what the CDC and different people make decisions that weren't good.

180. 0:43:19

     Representative Donahue, I thank you for that. I would say that in the medical world, that would be anecdotal-

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     Information

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     ... information, not facts. And we are now, you know, debating that.

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     Right.

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     And like I said, people are becoming their own doctors. But with that, um, I think that we've, everybody's... Uh, one more question.

185. 0:43:40

     Thank you. Thank you, Chair Lady. Um, I just feel like we're making a decision for the whole state on behalf of maybe a rural county, that we don't have any numbers here to make this decision. And respectfully, we are very well-educated in this field.

186. 0:44:07

     Representative Barnes, I know you are with your PhD, and, and Dr. Au and I have my medical background. Uh, but there are times down in the legislature that we make this kind of decisions for the whole state, and, uh, we don't have this kind of information, and everybody on the panel has one vote. And at this point, what it, I'm gonna go to Representative Cheokas, and we'll see how the members feel about the amendment.

187. 0:44:35

     Thank you, Madam Chair. I move that, uh, the substitute for SB440 LC600354S receive the due pass designation.

188. 0:44:51

     Do I have a second?

189. 0:44:52

     Second. Second.

190. 0:44:53

     I've got a second. Oh, okay. Um, I have a due pass and a second. Representative Au, uh, do you have an amendment?

191. 0:45:05

     I do have an amendment.

192. 0:45:07

     Okay. What is that amendment?

193. 0:45:09

     The amendment is for section four, between lines 144 and 156, to strike the entire section.

194. 0:45:19

     Representative Au, I am going to take the chairman's prerogative and not recognize you for that amendment.

195. 0:45:25

     Okay. Understood.

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     Uh, and I-

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     Can we do a hand vote on that?

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     Pardon?

199. 0:45:31

     Sorry. Never mind.

200. 0:45:35

     I mean, would you like a show of hands?

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     Yes.

202. 0:45:36

     I'll be glad. Put it back on. We have Representative Au's amendment to strike from lines 148 to 156. Uh, any discussion on it? Uh-

203. 0:45:48

     Just to, to frame this a little bit more is I think this is a good bill in its original form. H, uh, SB440 we passed out of this committee twice at this point. I w- I'm very interested in seeing the original language of the bill pass for the department that asked for it, and this is an unnecessarily, and I would say not germane amendment that we're trying to, to get rid of.

204. 0:46:10

     Okay. That, I, I think that's a realistic concern, Dr. Au, uh, but everybody can make up their own decision about it. One more, Representative Cannon.

205. 0:46:18

     I mean, the original bill, we have a department asking for it, making good factual decisions, ready to implement, versus an amendment that has no data, no statistics, some constituents, I just think it's, um, it's not appropriate for us to do that right now.

206. 0:46:39

     I understand that and respect your opinion on it. Okay. Everybody in favor of the passage of the amendment, raise your hand.

207. 0:46:51

     Okay. Everyone opposed, please. The opposed have it. The amendment fails. Now we're back in the pasture of the passage of the amendment on the bill. We have a motion and a second, of course. Is there any further discussion about the amendment? And I would like to add, I trust the pharmacy board. I think the saving factor on this is that the State Board of Pharmacy will adopt rules to govern the dispensing of this drug over the counter.

208. 0:47:28

     I trust them. They're the ones who give the pharmacist their license. They follow our instructions, too, but they're going to be aware of this discussion, and they'll be concerned because somebody could come back on them, and I trust them to find a reasonable way to handle it, then following the directions of the legisla- legislature with it. Um, Representative Au.

209. 0:47:52

     I'd like to move to table.

210. 0:47:54

     Okay. That does over- ride everything, so we have a m- uh, motion to table, and I need a s- is there a second?

211. 0:48:02

     Second.

212. 0:48:03

     I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Okay, there's no discussion. Everybody in favor of the motion to table, raise your hand.

213. 0:48:16

     Okay. Uh, thank you. And everyone opposed ra- I mean, opposed, raise your hand. Okay. The, uh, the am- the amendment fails. Okay, we're back. All right. Here we go. Everybody in favor of the amendment and the, the one proposed by Representative Choc- uh, Cheokas, raise your hand in favor of it.

214. 0:48:45

     Everyone opposed. Okay. All right.

215. 0:48:50

     The ayes have it.

216. 0:48:50

     The ayes have it, so the amendment is added to the bill.

217. 0:48:54

     We have to pass the bill out again. We don't have to do it.

218. 0:48:57

     Okay. And the bill has already passed out. It came back for the amendment, and frankly, we are adjourned. Thank you

219. 0:49:39

     very-